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  • I don't mean to put words in Toudiyama's mouth, but maybe what he means is that an art requiring years of study before it can be applied effectively is not the best choice for someone seeking self-defense skills. I'm thinking here of internal arts that involve elaborate circular movement and depend for their effectiveness on the development of fine motor skills -- aikido, for example. Whether or not aikido techniques as executed by an advanced practitioner can be effective in self-defense situations -- and I know many are skeptical of that -- I think most people would agree the aikido skills of beginners are pretty ineffective.

    I'm not knocking aikido here -- even as a non-aikidoka I can appreciate some of its cultural and philosophical aspects, and I can understand studying it for those reasons or as a kind of moving meditation. My point is simply that, if you are looking to develop some level of self-defense skill reasonably quickly, aikido probably isn't the best art for you.

    My JKD instructors used to speak of "self-preservation" and "self-perfection" as being dual goals of the beginning martial artist. The idea was that after six months of training, the student should have a reasonable base level of martial arts skill that he can use effectively in a real-life self-defense situation. Of course, other things being equal, he would not be anywhere near as good as someone who had been training for many years. Nor, if he studied under a good instructor, would he have any deluded confidence in his ability to execute disarms, take on multiple opponents, etc., at that stage in his training (if ever).

    What he would learn would be proper stance, footwork, basic punching and kicking technique, knee and elbow strikes, basic blocking, parrying and evasion, and some elementary grappling including takedowns and takedown defenses, simple throws and counters, positional progressions, escapes and sweeps, and submissions and counters. He would also learn a portfolio of "dirty tricks" -- headbutts, eye gouges, groin strikes, limb destructions, etc. -- that he could apply, if and when an appropriate opportunity arises, in the context of a fighting system that is sound in its fundamental mechanics and strategy. The point is not to make the student ready for the UFC in six months, but rather to give him credible fighting skills that (i) should enable him to take on most untrained opponents (unless they enjoy an large physical advantage) and (ii) at any rate make him a materially better fighter than he would have been without training.

    After that level is reached, the goal becomes self-perfection -- the student's continual improvement of technique and of fighting attributes such as cardio, strength, flexibility, etc. It's that stage of training that can and should last for many years...even a lifetime.

    Just my $0.02.

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    • I know it's not listed but I'd have to go with the no touch knock out stuff. Not only is it useless, but f you get brainwashed into thinking you can do it it will get you killed

      Rick

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      • Originally posted by KirkhamsEbooks. View Post
        I know it's not listed but I'd have to go with the no touch knock out stuff. Not only is it useless, but f you get brainwashed into thinking you can do it it will get you killed

        Rick
        No touch = Guns = best self defense ever.

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        • No touch + mastery of the dark side of the Force = ability to (i) deflect bullets + (ii) shoot lightning + (iii) choke people out from across the room

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          • this was a serious thread for a while there... now its gone down hill

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            • It's been going downhill since 2003...

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              • "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Chillaplata again."

                I owe you dude!

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                • Thanks bro!

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                  • Originally posted by Mr. Heel Hook View Post
                    I disagree. That makes the person a fighter, not the art.

                    Fact is, you don't see many Karate Guys or Kung Fu guys winning tournies. There is a reason for that. The art is flawed as a true means of fighting.
                    Well, the statement that you don't see many Karate or Kung Fu guys winning tournaments is certainly debatable. It depends on where you go, type of tournament, rules, etc. Our style is Choy Lay Fut kung fu, and it has been known for dominating full contact fighting tournaments in South East Asia for YEARS. Also, many of the techniques and practical applications of training methods from Chinese styles aren't allowed in many, if not most tournaments these days. So I wouldn't say it's the ART that's flawed (although some traditional styles aren't very practical, and many have stopped evolving throughout history), but rather that there isn't always a suitable outlet for the type of training that many real Chinese kung fu styles use.

                    Speaking of training, a LOT of the issue lies in how one trains and the way they were taught to train. Not all traditional styles are the same (contrary to what some people seem to believe), so not all styles train in the same way. Different branches of the same system can approach things in sometimes radically different ways, so a generalization can't be used here. It would be like saying that a good striker can never function on the ground, and a grappler must have a piss-poor stand up approach. Real, traditional kung fu emphasizes real fighting, with real world applications. Besides, who ever came up with the idea that tournaments are real fights anyway? A real fight has no rules, with no lenience for tapping out or a referee to stop it. Furthermore, real fights don't necessarily end when someone gets knocked out either. So, one can't go on the premise that what one sees on the tournament circuit or on T.V. is an indicator for the overall effectiveness of a style or system.

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                    • Originally posted by gracilva View Post
                      No touch = Guns = best self defense ever.
                      The gun is a projectile weapon in which the projectile touches and penetrates

                      No touch is the stuff they do after they've had about six months or less to brain wash students

                      Rick

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                      • No touch, no way

                        No touch is also the stuff they do to give us all a bad name. Shit like this makes it easy to see why some MMA and other systems look at traditional styles like we're useless. I would LOVE the opportunity to fight a "no-toucher", as it would make it so much easier to send a charp choi to the ribs, then send his ass to dreamland with a sau choi to the noggin.

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                        • Yeah but they always come up with an excuse why it didn't work

                          Crossing toes back and forth was the funniest one. The brain washed students then buy into the excuse and continue learning how to get killed

                          Rick

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                          • Yeah, they do, don't they? The only excuse I haven't heard as a defense for it not working is...it doesn't work. Suppose they'll ever get around to that one?

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                            • Re OP Yellow Bamboo Kung Fu

                              YouTube - Yellow Bamboo vs reality

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                              • That shit would be absolutely laughable if people didn't truly believe in it. Not discounting the reality of chi, but these "chi blasters" apparently aren't very skilled, as they were taken by a simple grapple. That shit is about as kung fu as my kung fu is water polo.

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