Most useless Martial Arts styles

[TigerClaw]

It's never going to end with this character, believe me. Nothing any of us say will ever make a dent in his massive, massive ego.

It is not ego, it is a firm belief in the truth of hat I say. I have tested and questioned many things in my teaching and style and found it to be still the most effective and comprehensive style I know. That is not my ego, it is a reality I have come to believe, and the more I hear from others the more i se it as true. We cannot change his mind, nor even get him to consider anything else. He is firmly stuck in a rut, and won't ever get out.

Do you all notice that no matter how much sense we make, he comes back with more pages that essentially say NOTHING?

Wrong, you don't make sense, and I come back with sound reasoning and clear arguments. I point out inconsistancies and flaws in argument and technique and i pointed out in the Clubbers post, many assumptions he made that he will not prove. I asked him if he knew they were kung fu experts or if he assumed it. etc etc. It seems that you are not able to reason well and your whole argument is often flawed.

This man is not a martial artist at all. If he is, he is simply a strip mall martial artist, and that basically counts for nothing.

And when your so called "making sense" talk fails, you resort to lying, you have lied often in here. You just lie as you do here and make things up. Hoping to splatter some gossip or character assassination towards me.

You also are the one who said he had not much martial experience as far as I remember.

He responds essentially the same way very religious people do. All he has is faith, but can prove nothing in the laboratory that is real life, real combat, real altercations. But just like super religious people, you cannot change their minds once their brain chemistry is kicking in, and influencing thier thought process.

I am a spiritual person, but I ask questions, examine, prove things, etc etc. As all true Christian should.

And as far as proving things, I have had real life fights and Kung Fu works. Also we have proven many things in the clubs I have gone. And besides I do not have to prove what history has recorded . Just go read about some of the famous Kung Fu masters of the past.

I just feel sorry for his students (if he really has any besides his own son).

My students have often expressed their thankfulness for learning Kung Fu and they like it alot.

It does not matter to this troll that there are people on this board with years of experience. I don't get the attitude, except that this is not who he says he is, but actually, he is a MMA troll trying his hardest to "gotcha" everyone on this forum. It's working, because we all respond.

Again, you just lie and make things up.

For me, it stops here.

Good riddens, be gone, go away and never never again tyope another word to any martial artist, until you learn how to be reasonable and stop lying and mocking.

But you said you were gone before and yet here you are

You are among the worst kind of martial artist. And your attitude is very bad.

Go away , please.

You have caused enough shame and trouble in here for yourself in here and disgraced martial artist by your talk..

[TigerClaw]

With you all the way.

When your own argument fails you just go away"? why not try to answer some objections I had to your post? Admit that some of the so called Kung Fu men may not have in fact been Kung Fu experts or even Kung Fu practitioners.

And I suggest you appologize to all the other Kung Fu practitioners in here for attacking their style as useless.

Even though I don't like much of the MMA type of fighting i see on TV, I would not say it is all useless. Juts like Judo, I don't prefer it to Kung Fu, but I would not say it is all useless.

[sunwukung]

It's official - there's nothing more worth saying to you, you're evidently delusional/dreaming.

[JadeDragon]

I said if they train for the sport aspect it is not as combative training. Yes there will be obvious fighting applications. But if it is training for TV sport with gloves rules and many restrictions, that kind of fighting is not as effective as a street ready combative survival training like Kung Fu. I think it is not as good a use of time, if you want to have real life combat survival training for the streets. I do not train for sport, but for survival, I am not going to waste my time training for sport and vainglory instead of for self defense and survival and helping others. I am sure that any martial arts can be used for the street and I am not attacking any in particular. But I am pointing out the difference between SPORT and real COMBAT.

TigerClaw.......If one is training in Sport MMA it can be very quickly addapted for the street. To be honest with you about the only difference is in sport mma you are wearing gloves. MMA for the street your not wearing protective hand gloves and you ARE ALLOWED to fish hook, eye guage, etc... As far as techniques go they are applied the same way weather you wear gloves or not. Do you think you could beat Chuck Lidell or Randy Couture, or even Tank Abbot for that matter? If you said yes to that question then your loonier than I thought. A rear naked choke is applied the same, an arm bar is applied the same, and a guillatine choke is applied the same wheather you have gloves on or not. MMA can and is just as effective as someone that practices kung fu or any other self defense martial art for "street combat" as you put it.

[sunwukung]

He could beat them all, easily. Possibly at the same time - but he won't because fighting is beneath him. Which is how he knows that his techniques work when needed, because he never tests them until that moment.

[TigerClaw]

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[jubaji]

Yes, apparently anything that actually exists in the real world is beneath him. So much the better for him.

[TigerClaw]

He could beat them all, easily. Possibly at the same time - but he won't because fighting is beneath him. Which is how he knows that his techniques work when needed, because he never tests them until that moment.

I don't know if I could defeat such men. I don't care either, but I have watched their moves and they are not very complex fighters, their movements seem east enough to defeat . But that is with their sport fighting, in real life it is different. I am sure that one of my instructors could easily defeat them in combat however.

[gracilva]

If it takes 20-30 years to become a master of awesomeness in Kung-fu,
can you recommend a cheap and reliable bubble I can hide in while I wait.
Sorry, I'm not a patient man man and waiting till I'm 46 yrs old would really do my head in.

[TigerClaw]

If it takes 20-30 years to become a master of awesomeness in Kung-fu,
can you recommend a cheap and reliable bubble I can hide in while I wait.
Sorry, I'm not a patient man man and waiting till I'm 46 yrs old would really do my head in.

No, it doesn't take that long.

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[Toudiyama]

Not in Defence of Karate but WadoKarate is anything but stiff, not that it matters, I still am confinced no art is Good (being better doesn't mean your good) at selfdefence
I do MA for fun, because of it no art is useless as long as I enjoy myself
training in a controlled enviroment is not to be compared to a SD situation
Nor is being a bouncer because when you are bouncing you are prepared for it all the time
training for many years to be able to defend your self is not usefull
Also it doesn't make sense to do a fullcontact art if you do not want to be hit in the first place
If you want to defend yourself get a weapon that is allowed in your country, if none carry a walkingstick

Enjoy your MA training but don't think it is more than it is a nice passtime

[Clubber Lang]

Nor is being a bouncer because when you are bouncing you are prepared for it all the time

.....surely isn't that good self-defence?

[Toudiyama]

.....surely isn't that good self-defence?

If you would be in that mind set 100% of your lifetime yes

[Clubber Lang]

training for many years to be able to defend your self is not usefull

Is that a typo, or just a very very odd thing to say?

Why is being able to defend yourself not useful? How does that work? Do you not want to protect yourself and your family?

And in order to do it properly, regardless of what the magazines say, it does take years of hard study. Whats wrong with years of hard training? Thats what it takes, in any endeavour in life, to be good at something. Whats wrong with that?

Your comment is odd in the extreme.