Boxing vs. Asian Martial Arts

[ryanhall]

Actually, Bri Thai is a cop. I think he has a handle on what works and what doesn't, as do I.

Well, earlier you made it sound like you had never gotten in a fight

I don't recall insinuating this or stating it outright. It's incorrect.

Nobody you know has probably been able to hit a baseball 400 ft. Does that mean it can't be done?

Funny that you mention this. I CAN hit a baseball 400 ft. I have done it on a couple of occasions. For the first 18 years of my life, baseball was what I practiced 3 hours a day everyday.

if you TRULY understand the technique then it will just happen out of response

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. I recommend that you take the time to look into the work of some notables such as Sanford Strong, Tony Blauer, Rich Dimitri, and Sammy Franco if you are interested in better understanding self-defense.

You don't think he will be pissed off if you hit him in the face???

Pissed off, yes. Able to do something right at that moment, no.

You are saying that you have never encountered a beligerant drunk or someone who simply WAS GOING TO FIGHT WITH YOU no matter what you did?

Yes, I have. In these cases, I either leave or deal with them in a way that precludes their ability to hurt me.

We have several police officers in our classes who have put them to use

Cops are not civilians. Their job has use of force issues, and people will allow a cop to lay his/her hands on them without pistoning his/her face. This is not often so for a normal citizen.

Nobody with a lot of real world experience advocates the use of joint locks as a method of self-defense. Just food for thought.

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by grubbogoppoly
Thai. .your profile shows you have studied nothing. I don't know why you are even here. .and isn't this a forum. As in you talk about theories, ideas, concepts and events?

If you read my posts again you'll see that I was being polite and thought provoking. But you weren't capable of even considering the possibility that you may be even slightly in the wrong.

I don't know what my profile says, and couldn't care less. The long term regulars here know my many and varied experiences in over 20 years of martial arts and a life time of real fighting.

I rather think that I could kick you and you instructor's arses both at once, and the only worry I would have are the legal ramifications.

ps - Don't forget basic grammar. You'll get more respect and appear half educated.

[grubbogoppoly]

Thai:
" rather think that I could kick you and you instructor's arses both at once, and the only worry I would have are the legal ramifications."
The first sign that you aren't a real martial artist. Yawn, frankly I could care less whether or not you could.

[grubbogoppoly]

Ryan, I get the feeling you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing. Your first and last statements contradict themselves. To the baseball example it was just an example. You get the point. There are things that EVERYONE you know can not do and they can be done.
"Pissed off, yes. Able to do something right at that moment,no." Same if you break a fugging wrist.

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by grubbogoppoly
Thai:
" rather think that I could kick you and you instructor's arses both at once, and the only worry I would have are the legal ramifications."
The first sign that you aren't a real martial artist. Yawn, frankly I could care less whether or not you could.

Obviously you couldn't care less, or you wouldn't waste your time on Hwa Rang Crap.

I remember my first real taste of Combatives. It was with a guy called Dennis Martin. He got us all merrily wrist locking each other, and we were all dutifully going "ouch" in the right places. But I was one of a number of disappointed people.,wondering if I'd wandered into the wrong class.

Then he said "OK guys. Now I want the person who is being wrist locked to hold yourself rigid. Don't let him apply it". No one, including guys with all kinds of martial arts experience, could apply a lock, and that was against mere stationary and passive resistance.

Then we got to the real stuff. Brutal and basic strikes that you had a chance of applying if and when you were totally terrified and your life depended on them.

You're in martial arts theory and bullshit land. I've been there myself. But I knew enough to look outside the box. I'm 40 years old (nearly), and a far more formidable fighter than I have ever been in my life.

You need to learn that facts are often very different to theories.

[grubbogoppoly]

I love it. Just keep on proving your ignorance.

[grubbogoppoly]

Nice addition to try and make it more than just an insult. Now I will tell you you were working on one technique, the cardinal sin in practical app. They make themselves rigid and you use it against them. This may be moving into another lock, this may be just punching them in the face because they are tense and concentrated on the hand. It is all about fluidity. ANY technique will work if done with proper timing, distance, and speed. I am not saying this out of theory I am saying this out of experience. I personally am not completely efficient yet. But it simply takes time. Like I said joint locks are not THE WAY. It is the ends not the mean.

[grubbogoppoly]

Just a small addition. To make the point more clear.
If you practice the jab on its own, will it work?
NO. That is what you were doing with your joint lock.

[Jack Johnson]

most of the people i've encountered who been doing several years of jump kicks and hip punchs usally telegraph their blows

[Jack Johnson]

you can do a lot with a jab if the one on the receiving end isn't used to it circle away from them and throw it when they step in catch them in mid step when they only have one foot on the ground

[grubbogoppoly]

Most the people you know. .
There are a lot of mcdojos as someone put it earlier. That is probably all they were doing. Probably do that light contact sparring all the time(which does have its place, but not all the time)We do EVERY type of fighting in our art. So if you are standing up you can deal with it, if you are unlucky enough to go to the ground in the street you can deal with it. If you are close you can deal, if you are far you can deal. It is all about having tools. If you don't have the tools you can't deal. Each tool has a time and a place. You aren't going to throw an elbow from 3 feet away.

[grubbogoppoly]

Jack. .Same is said with anything. I was talking about just standing in one place and throwing ONE JAB not in combination. The reason I was talking about that was they were talking like joint locks don't work. There reasoning was they stood there and tried to do 1 joint lock without anything else being used while the other person tensed up. I was simply saying that this is true with anything, they have to be used in combination and with movement for practical app.
In addition, you can do a lot with anything if the other person isn't used to it. THe first time fighting did you do good? No, because you weren't used to it yet.

[Thai Bri]

Youre missing the point. The fact that it wouldn't work when tensed up is not being debated. Would it work if the person being locked was also kicking, biting and gouging you?

Since you've mentioned "talking from experience", would you posts some of these experiences?

ps - one jab, when not in combination, does work. If you know how to jab.

[grubbogoppoly]

"Youre missing the point. The fact that it wouldn't work when tensed up is not being debated. Would it work if the person being locked was also kicking, biting and gouging you?"
What i have been saying all along. You have to do things in combination. You really just actually supported what I have been saying all along. Joint locks are just one tool. You use them in combination. In your words while kicking, biting or gouging.
By experience I mostly meant the joint locks being performed on me. When we spar in our class we allow all groin shots, takedowns and even joint locks. We pair off and go for five min rounds. However, anyone is fair game. If another person gets in your way you hit them. Teaches awareness. But anyways, I was trying my best to stay at a distance. My opponent had about 5 inches and 100 pounds on me. This being the reason I was trying to stick and move. .He proceeded to step on my foot, hit me in the head while I am throwing back as much as I possibly can. Since I am basically stuck there. He kicked to the groin (to keep me occupied for an, instant which it did). I was trying to counter his kick with a straight cross. He deflected my straight cross and turned it straight into an S break.
Now I obviously had the disadvantage of less mobility. But, these types of things will happen on the street. An arm gets tangled. You slip and are out of position(or your opponent).

[grubbogoppoly]

"ps - one jab, when not in combination, does work. If you know how to jab"
We can say that about anything then. You can't say it about one thing and not another.