What is exactly ninjitsu???

[sojobow]

In short, you are going to do whatever you want and term it "ninjutsu" and not acknowledge that it is a Japanese art with certain things that define it as such.

You finally answered with something I think is honest. You are absolutely correct in a small way. I have great respect for Ninjutsu for what it is. You deal with Nouns; I deal with adverbs and verbs. I use Monikers, you use the Japanese language. Never said I study what you study. Fact is, there is a world of difference both literal and physical. Continents apart..

What you are doing is rather like taking Tae Kwon Do and calling it Gracie Jujitsu..

It does seem this way but not quite. You call a certain weapon a "Jo"; I call it a "Stick." Because you say "jo" or "Katana", great for you. To me, its a stick' a sword; a Jo; a Katana, a long knife; an ancient weapon now illegal ; a round piece of wood about this long.
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I wonder how long it will be before the number of forums you have been banned from reaches four, none of which of course you will think is because of you. ......Jubaji, can you pass me the popcorn?

Doesn't matter. I'll get the information I came for. Your big problem now is that the owners and moderators are not Bujinkan. You'll have to spend a great deal of effort with them. Besides, I've already agreed with the moderator that I'll be almost invisible around here.

You guys have tried for over 25 years. Being or getting me banned still won't help you. Do I need to supply you with a link to prove that a Katana is a Sword and a Jo is a stick just to prove that I'm no fraud? Remember the last time you tried with the Prove-the-Hanshi link. Koryu.com proved my point but also said that you and yours don't exist and never have. Means nothing to me either way. Be carefull my friend, sometimes you seek but hate what you find.

Can we now get back to warriorship? Please leave me alone.

[sojobow]

And it will be restricted to the ninjutsu sub forum in the Japanese arts board...

Thanks kindly gentlemen.

Please, please, please keep your words. I'll do my part as requested.

I started another thread here recently. Its more of a general question. I noticed you have a q&a section but it doesn't seem to get many answers. wouldn't bother me if you moved the subject to where you think best. Has to do with a blackbelt being able to fight or not.

thanx.

[jubaji]

What a freakin' headcase...

[Darth Roley]

Never said I study what you study.

Right. Just so that this is clear to everyone. Sojobow does not study ninjutsu. His teacher(Frank Dux) does not teach ninjutsu or know anything about it. Thus his comments about ninjutsu are from an outsiders point of view.

[Tant01]

Crap.... I thought EVERYONE knew Dux was a sham? Oh well...

[DuckofDeath]

Youknowwho has Bars on her collar and is in europe.

Youknowwho has Bars on her collar and is in europe.

DiscordGoddess?

Good to see you again, sojo. Haven't seen hammer or wolfen for quite a while. I started a thread on Silver Crane on E-Budo. I'm taking a break from BJJ right now but hope to get back into training sometime soon.

As you will recall, Hanshi used to have posted on his forum a declaration signed by JPII to the effect that JPII accompanied Hanshi to Russia and the Ukraine to film him hobnobbing with former Soviet brass who knew him from his Secret Man days. After JPII went missing, StudentOfLife posted something to the effect that JPII was a "mental patient," something that upset twigg very much but which twigg never denied.

Now here's the thing, sojo: Some folks out there are saying that JPII didn't shoot any footage of Hanshi in Russia or the Ukraine and that JPII's signed declaration was a totally fraudulent document that Hanshi persuaded him to sign. Now if JPII was mentally unstable and perhaps in danger of blurting that everything was a sham, Hanshi's reputation would be irreparably damaged, would it not? So, Hanshi himself would have a motive for wanting such a liability eliminated.

I didn't want to go into detail about this on the Dux forum because drsensei would delete it; maybe this thread could be a kind of "safe house" where we could discuss the matter.

Pass me some of that popcorn...

[Darth Roley]

As you will recall, Hanshi used to have posted on his forum a declaration signed by JPII to the effect that JPII accompanied Hanshi to Russia and the Ukraine to film him hobnobbing with former Soviet brass who knew him from his Secret Man days. After JPII went missing, StudentOfLife posted something to the effect that JPII was a "mental patient," something that upset twigg very much but which twigg never denied.

Now here's the thing, sojo: Some folks out there are saying that JPII didn't shoot any footage of Hanshi in Russia or the Ukraine and that JPII's signed declaration was a totally fraudulent document that Hanshi persuaded him to sign. Now if JPII was mentally unstable and perhaps in danger of blurting that everything was a sham, Hanshi's reputation would be irreparably damaged, would it not? So, Hanshi himself would have a motive for wanting such a liability eliminated.

Wow! That is pretty serious. But the logical suspicion would be that maybe someone was taken care of so that they would not reveal a secret.

However, there is one very clear form of shooting down this suspicion. If "JPII" did indeed take film footage in the former Soviet Union and it shows what he says it did, then there is no doubt at all that it actually happened and there would be no suspicion that he had to be eliminated.

So all Dux has to do is release the film to the public so that everyone can see it and experts from ABC, Fox, BBC, etc can confirm that it is authentic. If there is film of him hobnobbing with ex-officers from the Soviet Union it would impress many people that he was telling the truth even without this suspicion. So why has he not allowed the release of the film?

Of course, if someone says that they saw the film but it is never released and "JPII" later turns up dead, that would probably get them investigated as an co conspirator in the inevitable murder investigation.

[DuckofDeath]

However, there is one very clear form of shooting down this suspicion. If "JPII" did indeed take film footage in the former Soviet Union and it shows what he says it did, then there is no doubt at all that it actually happened and there would be no suspicion that he had to be eliminated.

So all Dux has to do is release the film to the public so that everyone can see it and experts from ABC, Fox, BBC, etc can confirm that it is authentic. If there is film of him hobnobbing with ex-officers from the Soviet Union it would impress many people that he was telling the truth even without this suspicion. So why has he not allowed the release of the film?

A lot of people were asking the same thing on the old "Controversy" section of the Dux forum before it was shut down and "controversy" questions were banned.

A reference to the footage even shows up in JPII's obituary:

Obituaries: Obituary Archive | adn.com

"He traveled throughout Europe and the Ukraine with Frank Dux, author of 'The Secret Man.' He was filming and preparing to write the screenplay adaptation of Dux's book and the Ninjitsu style and exploits of Dux."

[sojobow]

Right. Just so that this is clear to everyone. Sojobow does not study ninjutsu. His teacher(Frank Dux) does not teach ninjutsu or know anything about it. Thus his comments about ninjutsu are from an outsiders point of view.

Now, you're trying to arouse the troops again?

sojobow speaks only for sojobow and does not work in some type transference to others. If you want to know what Hanshi or anyone else knows or thinks, ask them. You can't get there through me.

strange that you don't know that a martial artist, over time, knows his friends and enemies strengths and weaknesses. There are no big secrets the bujinkan or Ninjutsu has hidden from anyone. I'd be a poor student of war and peace if I didn't know.

Your logic is in error - again. Nice try though.

Duck: Couldn't find the link to your e-budo thread on Silver Crane. Haven't been on e-budo's forum for almost 2 years. Whats the link?

[Darth Roley]

Just to be clear, you are not denying that you do not know ninjutsu nor that Frank Dux, your teacher, has never studied ninjutsu. You only pick things up from internet sources.

Which of course poses the question why you post things about ninjutsu as if you knew anything about the subject.

And are you not going to deal with what happened to JPII?

[DuckofDeath]

Duck: Couldn't find the link to your e-budo thread on Silver Crane. Haven't been on e-budo's forum for almost 2 years. Whats the link?

Frank Dux's Successor Named

David Silverman, aka drsensei, should know something about JPII's video footage, since he once promised to post some stills from it on the Dux forum but never got around to it. Said he found the stills "while looking through some of Hanshi's stuff."

[sojobow]

Just to be clear, you are not denying that you do not know ninjutsu nor that Frank Dux, your teacher, has never studied ninjutsu. You only pick things up from internet sources.

You constantly make false assumptions and tremendously bad logic. I do believe now that it isn't a mistake on your part. You have purpose.

I've already answered your questions. I'll try again!

Yes, I have studied Ninjutsu.

(There are many recognized schools that have Ninjutsu in some element of their curriculum so you have to be more specific )

If you again, want to know anything about Hanshi, ask him and not me.

[sojobow]

Frank Dux's Successor Named

Thanx. Evidently, I need some type of permission to access the page. Haven't actually posted or visited e-budo in at least 2 years. I've emailed e-budo to find the answer. Never told by Mr. Lindsey about banning etc..Maybe my navigation isn't working.

[DuckofDeath]

If you again, want to know anything about Hanshi, ask him and not me.

According to the Silver Crane site, this is Hanshi's current contact info:

Seattle FASSTâ„¢/Dux Ryu School

Grand Master Frank W. Dux

Tiger-Rock Academy
15418 Main St.
Mill Creek, Wa. 98012
206-239-8900

hanshifrankdux@gmail.com

[Tant01]

OMG! are we serious? (seriously)

I've seen some clips of Dux (so called) ninjutsu...

Hard to keep a straight face typing this but if you pay to learn from him you get what you deserve...



Enjoy...