The Reality of the Blade

[Uke]

Be careful, if your actual experiences don't match the predetermined 'rules' some people insist upon then they couldn't have happened.

LMAO@predetermined rules

Here's a question for Jubaji:

Would you teach you mother/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/daughter to suplex a knife as a first line of defense?

And by that, I mean that if they were ever accosted by a man with a knife, you would train them to step in, wrap their arms around a grown man, and then belly to belly suplex them?

Would you? Really?????

And before you go on about "what if I had no choice and that was all that was available to me at the moment", understand that reply would be nonsense. The truth would be that your training is so limited that the only thing that came to mind was to use what has worked for you tried and true in the majority of your altercations: A freakin suplex. That goes to show that the majority of your self defense "know how" comes from collegiate wrestling and not from any place else.

You claim you've been all over Asia and studied with this and that master. Yet for all those experiences once you got hit you went instinctively back to what you know best: Wrasslin. And even then according to your story you didn't "spring into action" right away ... which means you probably could have walked away and not used the koga ninja shadow suplex.

If those are the instincts you wish to foster in your own mother/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/daughter ... where as soon as they are in danger they shoot in for a takedown or look for suplexing opportunities against men who are 6'0 tall and weight at least 185lbs ... then you might want to pre-purchase coffins. They sell them at Costco now at bulk rate!

No one said that your little "Bunny Tale" didn't happen, jubidoo. We just all laughed and called you a lucky fool for handling it the way you did and coming out of it alive.

You let the guy:

1)Close the distance.

2)Slap you in the mouth.

3)Reach in his clothing to produce a knife.

4)Hold the knife close to you for intimidation.

Uhhh .. I don't know what everyone else here practices, but where I come from that's called "fucking up". You, by all rights, should have lost your life that night. Nothing you did that night saved your own life because had that man who slapped you in the mouth and produced the blade possessed killing intent, you'd be as dead as disco. You got the opportunity to suplex the guy ONLY because he had intentions of intimidating, and not doing harm or worse.

Yet by your comments you seem to believe that because the man didn't try to kill you and you suplexed him that somehow gives merit to the ninja shadow slam as a first line of defense against all weapons.

ROFL!!!!

[Uke]

According to some people here if you don't feel them yourself you can't possibly know what you are talking about.

Also and correct me if I'm wrong Uke, but what I see is someone telling you to train under the assumption that your attacker will be more skilled than you.

If you train to fight knuckled headed dip shits and you come across a pro then you will get your ass handed to you.

If you train to fight pros then knuckled headed dip shits shouldn't be a problem.

Naw ... you are correct in your assertions, DJForest.

[kingoftheforest]

Naw ... you are correct in your assertions, DJForest.

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[jubaji]

LMAO@predetermined rules!!!

LOL indeed. Pretty stupid way of thinking.

[jubaji]

Here's a question for Jubaji:

Would you teach you mother or wife to suplex a knife as a first line of defense?

And by that, I mean that if they were ever accosted by a man with a knife, you would train them to step in, wrap their arms around a grown man, and then belly to belly suplex them?

Would you? Really?????!!!!

I certainly would not, and have never even suggested that I would. It was you and the other girls who reacted so defensively to something outside your 'rules' that you felt the need to screech about "go to moves" and the like. As usual, your hysteria got ahead of your reading skills.

I would not suggest such a thing to them because they do not have the skill or athleticism to ever pull off such a thing and gaining such skills would take time and ability they do not possess. Nor do I suppose that if I were in the same situation I could be confident that things would work out similarly (no two situations are the same of course and this was not the last time someone would come at me with a knife). The first thing I would advise would be getting the hell out of a situation like that as I attempted to do (or better yet not getting into such a mess, and certainly not letting ego get the better of them - and neither of them likely would). I would not try to give them the false impression that anything involving a physical engagement would be likely to turn out in their favor in such a situation, but if they were determined to train something for such an eventuality anyway wrestling would not be my first suggestion for them.

[jubaji]

You claim you've been all over Asia and studied with this and that master. Yet for all those experiences once you got hit you went instinctively back to what you know best: Wrasslin.

You know, the last time you felt threatened by someone else's personal experience that didn't adhere to your 'rules' and obessessed over this I tried to suggest that you give some thought to when it took place. Not surprisingly, you weren't bright enough to pick up on it. Do you get the point now, or do I have to draw you a picture?

[jubaji]

We just all laughed and called you a lucky fool for handling it the way you did and coming out of it alive.
!!

If that was all you had said, I probably would have agreed with you. Nonetheless, it was by no means the first or the last situation that I (and others) have been in that likely would not adhere to your 'rules,' and I am hardly alone in having such unfortunate experiences during the years when young men tend to get into such things.

[kingoftheforest]

When your only tool is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.

[Uke]

When your only tool is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.

You mean like the way jubidoo tries to pass off bullshit as actual competence?

Or 10,000 posts of one liners that have little do with anything but his own stupidity and LOTS of free time?!?!?

If that's the case then call him John Henry!

[Uke]

I certainly would not, and have never even suggested that I would.

Well at least you're admitting you're completely full of it. All these years you've pretended that I have said alot of things but the only thing I've really been adamant about concerning you is that you're a poser and a troll. That much is certain and at least you admit that you wouldn't advocate what it is that you actually do. However, anyone who wouldn't advocate what it is that they do or discuss is either a hypocrite(they don't believe in what they do) or has a death wish(know that they are reckless) and is concerned that others may emulate this stupidity.

But now we are getting somewhere.

If wrestling wouldn't be what you would teach your loved ones or send them to learn, what would you send them to learn, jubidoo?

Would it be ... say kickboxing/thaiboxing? Would you send your mother/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/daughter to learn kickboxing/thaiboxing to survive a mugging?

Would it be BJJ that you send your mother/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/daughter to learn to survive a rape?

What about western boxing? Would you advise your mother/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/daughter to go learn how to stick and jab against a man a full foot taller and 100lbs heavier?

What would you advise them to do?

This is priceless because after all these years it seems that jubi jubidoo is finally learning something and has stopped sipping the kool-aid at pretend.net.

I won't put any money into that stock though. Stupidity is always just a single one liner away with jubidoo.

[jubaji]

With all due respect to YOU Mr. Uke, My buddy Ju has been right on the money about so many other things, I've neglected to keep track! I consider him a Troll Patrol and I value his perspective.

You and I tend to butt heads and that's great. Keeps the forum alive? (right?) LOL

I'm happy to have something new to read even if it's your jubashing and I know it will roll off his back like so much other virtual smack!

Ju (baji) is great! But don't take MY word for anything... I've smeared my portion of crap on the man myself and he keeps on keeping on!

I take my hat off and bow respectfully to both of you my friends...

Oh... As to the topic? Eskrima or Kali. Something that will make my loved ones CAPABLE of "eliminating" a threat! lots of blood or recoil? (weapons?) Hand to hand is always a LAST resort!

You are too kind sir, and I agree with your choices as to the hypothetical.

[jubaji]

You mean like the way jubidoo tries to pass off bullshit as actual competence?

Sorry, I forgot that one of the 'rules' is that competence can't be actual experiences, just theories and playing make-pretend.

[jubaji]

Well at least you're admitting you're completely full of it.

I do not recall 'admitting' anything of the sort.

[jubaji]

the only thing I've really been adamant about concerning you is that you're a poser and a troll. .

Two more things you're wrong about.

[jubaji]

and at least you admit that you wouldn't advocate what it is that you actually do. However, anyone who wouldn't advocate what it is that they do or discuss is either a hypocrite(they don't believe in what they do)

I wasn't talking about what I "do," I was recounting what I "did" in one particular situation. Poor reading skills (among other things) are really holding you back.