Stop worshipping Bruce

[lssanjose]

a lot of Bruce's influence came from Krishnamurti, zen, and taoism. And none of these influences themselves wanted to be worshipped. then again how do thoughts get worshipped? place a quote on your wall and bow before it? sing songs of praise? know the principle, abide by it, dissolve it.

[javapace]

Lizard,

You have a right to an opinion. Just like people that worship Bruce have a right to worship him if they want.

You have the right to critisize them.

And oh yeah, I have the right to say that you sound like a ****ing asshole. so I'm gonna go ahead and say it. YOU SOUND LIKE A ****ING ASSHOLE,

hee hee-

[c0bra]

Originally posted by Lizard
"The reason Bruce didn't fight well known people is because it became dangerous for him to even spar with people without holding back." So, he DID fight them. But he didn't. Both at the same time.......

that just sums it up. all the quotes you got were from complete idiots.

[ultraphine]

i agree cobra

I think one thing needs to be stated here(well perhaps more than one)

I respect what bruce lee did for the exposure martial arts recieved thru him. I dont have a problem with bruce, i deo have a problem with dickheads who worship him. I traines under both wong shen leung and william cheung in my time and i got sick of people worshipping them because of their association with bruce. In the wing chun world it seems that every thing is colored by bruces involvement in the style.

Sure he was a great martial artist, but have u looked at any footage of him sparring for real? ive seen a bit and as far as i can see he is good, but he is by no means invincible..........

and that is my point no one is invincible, no one deserves to be worshipped. By all means learn from the path they walked b4 u, rather than crawling along it in supplication.

Oh yeah and one final point, he may have been a great martial artist but from everything ive seen and read he was also prone to being an arrogant self obsessed asshole (which also happens to apply to alot of his hong kong training buddies that ive met)

[delbert]

i personally dont worship anything other than if you can fight or not. i didnt train with bruce lee. i train and fight muay thai and use jun fan for street combat mixed with my thai and bjj. the only true way to assess a fighter is to fight them. i have pitted my skills against many martial arts styles and have been successful due to being well rounded. take a concept and live with it. bruce lee made mixing styles more accepted in a time of traditional arts. call it what you want. you can name it"i thought of a way to kick your a**" and until someone overcomes it its the best way. yeah maybe i dont know all the mixed martial arts. you evidently have tried to put more thought in it than i. i personally dont claim my way is the best like some martial artists. i also dont try to downplay them due to fantastic humble teachers that convey their ways to their students like ajarn chai and guru dan. others should take stock of their own abilities.
be strong as a diamond and keep your hands up.

[Lizard]

Originally posted by javapace
Lizard,

You have a right to an opinion. Just like people that worship Bruce have a right to worship him if they want.

You have the right to critisize them.

And oh yeah, I have the right to say that you sound like a ****ing asshole. so I'm gonna go ahead and say it. YOU SOUND LIKE A ****ING ASSHOLE,

hee hee-

lol. Assholes are often rewarded by god with great wealth and power. eg The most powerful man in the world is an asshole. This has led me to the undeniable conclusion that god himself is an asshole and promotes people who are like him. I choose to take your accusation as a compliment, I can only pray that one day you will become an asshole too.

[Thai Bri]

But you're a bigger Arse Hole, because you have bollock all.

[ReneH]

My take on all this can be summed up by the great Aristotle qoute I so revere: "Question authority!"


Sometimes in seeking a truth you might wind up pissing someone off...so be it!

[Lizard]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
But you're a bigger Arse Hole, because you have bollock all.

Wow you really know your stuff. Have you studied theology or something?

PS In Japanese, to call someone a coward you can say that they have a small anus.

[Thai Bri]

Lets keep your anus out of this. I don't know where its been.

And I don't want to know.

[platinum_angel]

Originally posted by Lizard


Wow you really know your stuff. Have you studied theology or something?

PS In Japanese, to call someone a coward you can say that they have a small anus.

wow then your japanese boyfriends must refer to you as extremely brave.

[faulknermano]

Originally posted by delbert
i personally dont worship anything other than if you can fight or not.

i always thought that bruce a major contradiction. i say major because he put himself into the limelight, preached absolutes, appeared absolute, but was not really so. he wrote that jkd was nothing new (he was very correct) and yet he exuded whatever it was that made people believe he invented the thing.

for some reason, i compare mushashi, centuries back, with bruce lee. bruce lee seemed more self-absorbed, and more vain. mushashi seemed much less (connoting that there is a trace of self-absorption - but not in the same manner as i am describing lee).

as far lee sparring: correct me if i'm wrong, but doesnt all his street fights in hong kong count for something?

as far musashi... well, killing fifty plus men...

[moe_eubleck]

bruce lee

Bruce Lee inspired alot of people. I wanted to be him untill I realized I was too tall. I also have a better hair-do then he did.
My hair is also better than The crocodile hunter's. But I dont grapple crocodiles like he does.
I think Steve Irwin is my new hero. Sorry Bruce!

[foolsknight362]

Am I the only one this occurs to....?

I agree that people should not worship Bruce Lee, however, is there anyone who actually worships him? The idea that there is some sort of cult going on makes sense, but has anyone replied to this thread and said "No, your wrong, Bruce Lee should be idolized". I think not. And Lizard, well, you are entitled to your own opinion, but seriously, are you stupid? You are merely bashing the man; you went off on how he did not have proper grammer!

I respect Bruce Lee, I train in JKD, and I believe that he was one of the most influential martial artists of our time. No gold idol's, and no wall scrolls, no bullshit. But the man is dead! You are spending so much time counting a dead man's flaws, maybe you should use that time to count your own flaws and make yourself a better martial artist, instead of dissing a fighter you could have kicked your ass any day of the week. Go read a book you dishonorable idiot!

[moe_eubleck]

bruce bruce bruce

people are stupid enough to worship anything. Good for Bruce tho. One thing no one has mentioned is the fact that he was a great bussiness man. He's dead, but people are still buying his books and movies!!
even if ya dont think Bruce was all that, do you think there will be mesaage boards talkin about YOU 25 years (?) after you are dead ??
I dont think so. I have never heard of any of you people.

Bruce has managed to immortalize himself. Think you can kick his ass? Congratulations on that evolved perspective! But when YOU are dead and gone, no one is really going to care.